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% of the deficit. we have spend ourselves into a hole and we're not going to raise taxes, borrow money and get out of it. will i accept a tax increase as part of a deal to actually solve our problems? yes. but the president is negotiating with the wrong people. he needs to be negotiating with our bond holders in china. because if we don't put a creditable plan on this, on the discussion, ultimately, we all lose. >> you got your colleague debbie stabenow, on the your screen as well, can you say quickly what it is going to take? >> well, we got to quit playing the game, george, you can't continue to lie to the american people, there is no way to fix medicare under the guidelines of aarp that our tax dollars are now advertising to say not fix it. the way we can fix it is to control the cost. the way to control the cost is to have more individual participation. there's a lot of ways to do that. you can't play the game and hide. medicare and social security and medicaid if those aren't fixed if we're not honest about how to fix them and the fact, that, yes, everybody in this country will have to partic
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benefits to help reduce the other deficits. >> to be clear that's one thing that's clearly off the table. social security is off the tables in these negotiations. >> in a separate process to strengthen social security not as a process to reduce the deficit. >>> on the issues of taxes, is there any flexibility on the president's position? does it have to go all the way back to the tax rates on the wealthy to the clinton levels? >> again, george, we think the best way to do this is to have those tax rates go back to where and one of the best, at one of the most prosperous times in recent american history to combine that reforms that limit reductions for 2%, i'm deeply skeptical about ways to get through this without that mix of rates and reforms. >> and if congress doesn't agree, you're comfortable going over that cliff on january 1st? >> there's no reason why 98% of americans have to see their taxes go up because some members of congress on the republican side want to block tax rate increase for 2% of the wealthy americans. remember, those tax cuts cost a trillion dollars over ten years.